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Hammond says UK will still have to pay some of £39bn to EU even if it leaves with no Brexit deal – as it happened

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Philip Hammond giving evidence to the Lords economic affairs committee
Philip Hammond giving evidence to the Lords economic affairs committee Photograph: Parliament TV

Philip Hammond's evidence to peers - Summary

Here are the main points from Philip Hammond’s evidence to the Lords economic affairs committee.

  • Hammond admitted he was delaying scheduling the budget this autumn because there may have to be an emergency EU summit in November to finalise the Brexit deal. Asked about the budget timing, he said:

The situation this autumn is complicated by the fact that there are some very significant political events, including potentially one the timing of which is, as yet, indeterminate - the continued speculation that there may be a special European council in November. Clearly that makes it difficult to fix the date of another event in our own political calendar.

Last year, giving his annual evidence to this committee in September, Hammond used his appearance to announce the date of the budget in November. But he said he could not announce the date this year because of the Brexit complications.

  • He dismissed the claim in the Economists for Free Trade report that the economy would benefit from a no deal Brexit that left the UK trading on WTO terms as “not sustainable”. The report was launched by Prof Patrick Minford this morning. (See 2.09pm.) Asked for his reaction, Hammond replied:

What [Minford] has done is assume a 4% benefit to UK GDP by unilaterally liberalising our trade system, ie abolishing our tariffs unilaterally, notwithstanding first of all that would leave us with no leverage to negotiate free trade deals with any third countries, which I think is the objective of many of his supporters. And notwithstanding studies done by others - the LSE, for example, found that the boost would be 0.3 percentage points, Open Europe found that it would be 0.75 percentage points.

His model makes no allowance for differences in quality [and] safety of imported goods, nor does it make any allowance for distance-related transport costs. And it assumes that all standards imposed on imported goods will be abolished.

He assumes that there are no additional non-tariff barriers to trade between the UK and the EU in a no deal scenario, which is frankly not plausible.

And then for financial service, he assumes that an equivalence arrangement delivering a similar affect to passporting will exist between the UK and the EU in a no deal scenari, notwithstanding the fact that we have heard very loud and clear noises to the contrary from some of our near European neighbours who have other aspirations about our financial services industry.

So I’m afraid I find I’m sure his model is very effective. But the assumptions that he makes are wildly out of line with assumptions that are used by other economic models and frankly I believe are not sustainable.

  • Hammond said that, even if the UK left the EU in March next year without a deal, it would still have to pay some sort of “divorce bill”. Brexiters claim that, under a no deal Brexit, the UK would not be liable to pay any of the £39bn it has agreed to pay. Hammond said he did not accept that. He explained:

There are undoubtedly legal obligations that we have to the EU on exit. The quantum of those obligations may be open to discussion, even dispute, and would ultimately in the normal course of even be resolved through some arbitration which may take quite a long time ...

In the context of no negotiated exit, that agreement [to pay £39bn], like all the other agreements that were settled between December and March subject to the caveat nothing is agreed until everything is agreed, will fall. What will not fall is our legal obligation under international law to make payments of sums which were due to the European Union. But to quantify those sums could require a complex and time-consuming process of arbitration ...

If we were to say we are going to sit on our hands and pay nothing we would probably expect a very hard-nosed response from the other side.

  • He said he expected the political declaration on the future trade relationship due to be agreed alongside the Brexit withdrawal agreement in the autumn to read like a “heads of terms” in a commercial contract. He explained:

It [the political declaration] will need to be specific enough to satisfy parliament, both parliaments, the UK parliament and the European parliament. And it will need to be be specific enough that the negotiating teams who then work up the detailed text are able to use it to guide their work. I would see this, the commercial world equivalent, a heads of terms, that is agreed and is initialled, and is clearly intended to bind the parties, but is not the detailed text ...

There is merit in having quite a bit of detail. But clearly we don’t have enough time to negotiate a full draft legal text in what will be quite a complex future partnership agreement.

Asked if this document would contain enough detail to explain what the “common rulebook”, as set out in the Chequers proposal, would actually mean in practice, Hammond replied:

On something as central to the proposition as that, we will need to spell out what it means.

  • He said that the government’s green paper on social care being published later this year would contain “options” for reform - implying the government would not commit itself at that point to one particular system. (See 4.57pm.)

That’s all from me for today.

Thanks for the comments.

Updated

Scottish ministers have set aside £27m to cope with the administration and parliamentary costs of Brexit, but faced heavy opposition criticism for giving Holyrood few details about their planning.

Mike Russell, the Scottish government’s constitutional relations secretary, told MSPs today the money was being diverted to departments most affected by coping with Brexit.

He said the Scottish parliament faced an unprecedented number of technical pieces of legislation, known as statutory instruments, to prepare Scottish legislation for Brexit. Russell did not spell out much detail, leading to attacks from both Labour and the Scottish Greens for being too vague.

Holyrood sources say Russell has told them he estimates the devolved parliament will need to scrutinise about 100 statutory instruments.

It remains unclear how much work or parliamentary time those will involve. Some will be complex and important, covering farming, policing and medicines. Legal experts say there could be hundreds of others which may involve only minor bureaucratic changes, while many could also be dealt with at UK level by Westminster on Scotland’s behalf.

Russell said that, faced with the chaos of a no-deal Brexit and the continuing need for continuity after exit day, his government was duty bound to prepare for a blind Brexit and a no-deal outcome. The SNP would continue arguing for the UK to remain within the single market and customs union “whilst fulfilling our duty of protecting Scotland as best we can from the threats of a Brexit – any Brexit - that we do not want, and that we did not vote for.”

Neil Findlay, Scottish Labour’s Brexit spokesman, said it was right that ministers planned for every eventuality. “But the reality is the SNP has provided scant detail on the nature of its preparations, focusing instead on spin and rhetoric over substance,” he told Russell.

Forsyth wraps up by thanking Hammond for his time, and telling him his grasp of detail is “astonishing”.

He is referring in particular to the way Hammond, a former transport secretary, answered questions about HS2, surprising peers with his knowledge of the engineering problems thrown up by the need to build a tunnel in London, and in particular what happens to the spoil.

I will post a summary soon.

Updated

Michael Forsyth goes next.

Q: Do you agree that something needs to be done about the audit market, and the dominance of the big four providers?

Hammond says the government wants to see more competition in the market. But the big four have seen their share of FTSE 100 work go up, from 95% to 98%. It is for the Competition and Markets Authority to look at this, he says.

Q: What is happening about putting a cap on the amount of money people have to pay for their own social care, as Andrew Dilnot proposed?

Hammond says the government is clear that everyone must have accesss to the support and care that they need, but also that people should contribute to the care they need.

The green paper will address options for capping the amount people have to pay.

Q: Options on the size of the cap? Or will having a cap be an option?

Hammond says having a cap will be an option. It will be a consultative paper.

Q: When will it be published?

Later this year, Hammond says.

  • Hammond says the government’s green paper on social care being published later this year will contain “options” for reform - implying the government will not commit itself to one particular system.

Hammond is now talking about social care.

He says the government is working on a green paper looking at means of making social care sustainable for older people in the long term.

There are two challenges he says; the care of older people; and the care of adults with disabilities who are living longer and will need care as they grow old.

The needs of the two groups are very different, he says. He says the first group have assets; the second group don’t.

While Hammond continues to give evidence to peers, his Labour shadow, John McDonnell, is addressing the TUC. Here are some of the lines that journalists have been tweeting from the speech, which started a few minutes ago.

Q: We have heard evidence that senior civil servants are being labelled as apprentices, for example when they enrol on MBAs. Doesn’t that show how targets are being misused?

Hammond says he cannot say that has never happened. But he has not heard this concern.

Lady Harding of Winscombe, a Conservative, goes next. She asks about apprenticeships.

Hammond says there has been a shift from level 2 to level 3 apprenticeships. Put bluntly, he says that now people are using their own money to fund apprenticeships, they are choosing higher values ones. But that generates more benefit for the economy, he says.

Alistair Darling goes next.

Q: There was a report in the summer saying HS2 could cost £90bn. And there is an increasing argument for improving transport links east to west, as much as north to east. Isn’t there a case now for focusing on other projects instead?

Hammond says small projects can be useful, but there is a need for strategic projects too.

He says he is not aware of the supposed cost increase, although he says by the time the project is over inflation will make the costs seem higher.

And government should be able to work on east/west links as well as north/south links, he says.

Asked about the Brexit “divorce bill”, Hammond says the UK has legal financial obligations to the EU. If the UK left without a deal, this matter could go to lengthy arbitration, he says.

Hammond says Brexiter claims about WTO option are 'not sustainable' and 'wildly out of line' with economic consensus

Lord Kerr, the former diplomat credited with drafting article 50, goes next. He invites Hammond to comment on the EFT report saying the UK would benefit from leaving the EU and trading on WTO terms.

Hammond says Prof Patrick Minford assumes there would be a 4% benefit to UK GDP from the UK getting rid of tariffs. But he does not take into account the fact that getting rid of tariffs would give the UK no leverage in trade talks.

He says the LSE have estimated the benefit from this effect at just 0.3%, and Open Europe have put the figure at 0.75%.

He says the Minford model makes no allowance for differences in quality and safety in imported goods.

He says Minford assumes that would be no new non-tariff barriers to UK-EU trade in a WTO scenario.

And he says Minford also assumes that an arrangement similar to passporting would apply in relation to financial service in a WTO scenario, even though EU countries would not accept this.

Hammond goes on:

The assumptions that [Minford] makes are wildly out of line with the assumptions that are used by other economic models, and frankly I believe are not sustainable.

Updated

Q: What did Michel Barnier mean when he said both sides would have to be “realistic” for there to be a deal?

Hammond says that might mean different things to different people.

Alistair Darling, the former Labour chancellor, goes next.

Q: How detailed will the political agreement about a future trade deal have to be?

Hammond says it will have to be specific enough to satisfy both parliaments, and it will have to be specific enough for the negotiators on both sides to be able to work up a text.

It will be the equivalent to a heads of terms in a commercial agreement, he says.

UPDATE: Here is a transcript of this section. This is from the Times’ Philip Aldrick.

Updated

Hammond says long-term forecasting is easier than short-term forecasting.

A peer challenges this. Would he say the same about weather forecasting.

Yes, says Hammond. He says he can confidently say that in December we will be in winter. But he does not know what the temperature will be next week.

Forsyth asks about the accuracy of the Treasury forecasts.

Hammond says the Treasury forecasts about the immediate impact of a vote for Brexit assumed no fiscal response, no monetary response and the immediate triggering of article 50. But there was a fiscal and a monetary response, and article 50 was not triggered immediately.

The committee chairman, the Tory Brexiter and former Scottish secretary Michael Forsyth, is asking the questions.

Q: How confident are you in the forecasts (pdf) for a no deal Brexit you published recently?

Hammond says at the time of the referendum the Treasury published short and long-term forceasts.

Since then it has been working on another model for long-term forecasting, with other departments. It is a computed general equilibrium model, he says.

He say the government has not had to change its short-term forecasting model.

He says there was a leak of modelling published in January. That modelling looked at three Brexit options: staying in the EEA, a no deal/WTO terms Brexit, and a standard free trade deal.

The government did not model the deal it is trying to achieve, he says.

Hammond admits EU may schedule emergency summit for Brexit deal to be finalised

Hammond is now talking about the timing of the budget.

He says the timing of the budget this autumn has been complicated by the Brexit uncertainty, and the possibility of an emergency EU summit on a date not arranged.

  • Hammond admits EU may schedule emergency summit for Brexit deal to be finalised.

Updated

Hammond is at the committee now.

He says there could be some turbulence next year if the UK leaves the EU without a deal. In those circumstances, it would help having an experienced Bank of England governor in place. That is why he welcomes Mark Carney’s decision to agree to extend his tenure.

Philip Hammond gives evidence to Lords economic affairs committee

Philip Hammond, the chancellor, is about to give evidence to the Lords economic affairs committee. He normally appears before it once a year.

According to the committee, the peers particularly want to ask about: the Treasury’s Brexit forecasts, the future of the governor of the Bank of England, the government’s approach to student loan financing, and the economic case for HS2.

But they might also cover: the apprenticeship levy, and the decline in apprenticeship starts; the use of the Retail Prices Index as a measure of inflation; the dominance of the Big Four and challenges in the audit market; fiscal sustainability and demographic challenges; and social care funding.

There is a live feed here.

Here is my colleague Pippa Crerar’s story about Jaguar Land Rover saying “tens of thousands” of jobs in the car industry could be lost if the UK crashed out of the EU without a deal.

Here is Jonathan Portes, a former government economist and now an economics professor at King’s College London, on the Economists for Free Trade report.

Tens of thousands of car factory jobs could be lost under a no deal Brexit, Jaguar boss says

These are from my colleague Pippa Crerar.

Javid is now responding to a question saying the PM is out of touch. He says she has a difficult job to do.

Q: Was blocking the pay rise a wrong decision?

Javid says he will not comment on leaked documents.

Sajid Javid's Q&A at Police Superintendents' Association conference

Javid is now taking questions.

Asked about reports that Downing Street blocked a pay rise for the police, Javid says it would be wrong to say Theresa May blocked this. These decisions are taken collectively, he says.

Updated

Sajid Javid, the home secretary, has just finished speaking at the Police Superintendents’ Association conference. The BBC’s Danny Shaw has some highlights.

BrexitCentral, the pro-Brexit website, has posted audio of the Jacob Rees-Mogg and Steve Baker speeches from this morning’s Economists for Free Trade event on its YouTube channel.

Lunchtime summary

  • Leading Tory Brexiters have backed a report insisting that leaving the EU without a deal, and trading on World Trade Organisation terms, would be good for the UK. The Economists for Free Trade (EFT) report (pdf), which restates arguments the group has made before, claims that over the next 15 years UK growth would be about 7% higher than otherwise under the WTO option, increasing Treasury revenue by about £80bn a year. The claims have been dismissed as implausible by mainstream economists and trade experts. (See 11.20am and 1.12pm.) In a press notice the EFT said their report was “backed by Jacob Rees-Mogg, chairman of the 60-strong European Research Group (ERG) of Brexit supporting MPs” and Rees-Mogg and other leading figures in the ERG attended the launch and applauded enthusiastically as the report’s claims were set out by the EFT chair, Prof Patrick Minford. The press conference took place a few days after the ERG reportedly shelved plans to publish its own alternative to Theresa May’s Chequers Brexit plans, and today it felt as if they were backing trading on WTO terms as their rival plan. The Brexiter MPs stressed that they would prefer a Canada-style free trade deal to a WTO/no deal Brexit, but they also made it clear that they saw the WTO option as perfectly acceptable.
  • Tory Brexiters refused to say whether they would challenge Theresa May’s leadership if she continued to push her Chequers Brexit plans. Journalists asked about the leadership issue at the EFT event, but MPs refused to discuss it. Steve Baker, the former Brexit minister and a leading figure in the ERG, said:

Isn’t the future of this country about more than personalities? I personally do not really mind who the prime minister of the United Kingdom is as long as they do good old-fashioned liberal things that I agree with. So this debate, forgive me, is not about who is prime minister of this country. It’s about what the policy ought to be ... I want to talk about the future of the United Kingdom. I’m not much interested in who the prime minister is.

Boris Johnson, the former foreign secretary who has emerged as the most vocal critic of Chequers in the Conservative party and who was at the event, refused to say what would happen if May refused to change her policy. And Jacob Rees-Mogg said that Brexiters could oppose Chequers without having to bring down May. He explained:

People are missing the change, the Fixed-term Parliaments Act. The vote on the legislation will not be a vote of confidence. So we can vote down the bad Chequers proposals on Monday and support the government in a vote of confidence on Tuesday. They are clear, separate things. And trying to align them is, I think, a mistake. So we can carry on supporting the prime minister, but we can oppose this policy until it’s changed or collapses.

  • Rees-Mogg said that tomorrow the ERG will publish a proposed solution to the Northern Ireland border problem. Speaking at the EFT event, he said that finding a solution to the border problem (the UK government has committed to not allowing the return of a hard border between Northern Ireland and the Republic) was the only obstacle to the UK agreeing a Canada-style free trade agreement with the EU. He went on:

It is possible to move very swiftly to a Canada-plus style deal as long as we can come up with a scheme, which I think we have got for tomorrow, on how do you ensure a solution to the Northern Ireland problem that any reasonable person would accept?

According to Harry Cole in today’s Sun, the ERG solution would involve roaming tax inspectors. Cole reports in his story:

Flying squads of tax inspectors would roam Northern Ireland after Brexit under an alternative plan drawn up by senior Tories to “destroy Chequers”, The Sun can reveal.

Arch-Eurosceptics believe a hard border with the EU could be avoided by “Inland Clearance” that would see goods made for export subject to spot checks from officials in factories and at arrival destinations.

  • Boris Johnson claimed that the Chequers plans would be “substantially worse than the status quo” for British businesses. Johnson attended the EFT event as an observer, and initially declined to answer questions. But at one point he did speak to say he agreed with what Patrick Minford said about Chequers being a form of “ vassalage”. (See 11.44am.) Johnson said:

You made quite rightly the political objection that it turns us into a ‘vassal state’. But it seems to me there is also this particular economic objection that in abandoning our seat around the table in Brussels and continuing to accept the single market legislation ... we will be exposing UK businesses, manufacturers, entrepreneurs, innovators, to whatsoever rules the EU decides in the future to devise, even though those rules may well be inimical to the interests of UK innovation. That seems to me to be a particular economic risk in Chequers and makes it substantially worse than the status quo.

  • John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has said a Labour government would offer “the biggest extension” of workers’ rights ever seen in the UK. (See 9.10am.)

Updated

And the Telegraph’s Micheal Deacon has been reading the pocket version of the Economists for Free Trade report. At least this Brexiter experience (unlike others - see 12.01pm) can’t be accused of long-windedness.

Bloomberg’s Robert Hutton has been reading the Economists for Free Trade report, and he points out that it argues that, whether Brexit leads to the pound risingor falling in value, either way, it will be good for the UK.

And the UK Trade Policy Observatory, an academic/thinktank partnership, has tweeted a link to a blog written last month contesting the Economists for Free Trade arguments.

Earlier, at 11.20am, I posted links to Twitter threads from two experts contesting the Economists for Free Trade claims.

Here is the full Economists for Free Trade report (pdf). And here is the pocket guide (pdf).

Here are some more critique from experts.

From Sam Lowe, a trade specialist at the Centre for European Reform - a thread starting here

From Alasdair Smith, an academic economist

From Ed Conway, Sky’s economics editor - a thread starting here.

Updated

And the Telegraph’s Anna Isaac asks a pertinent question about the Carney announcement.

Nigel Farage, the former Ukip leader, is not happy about Mark Carney getting his term as governor of the Bank of England extended.

Here is what Philip Hammond told MPs about Mark Carney.

I can now announce to the House that I have been discussing with the governor his ability to be able to serve a little longer in post in order to ensure continuity through what could be quite a turbulent period for our economy in the early summer of 2019.

And I can tell the House today that the governor has agreed, despite various personal pressures to conclude his term in June, that he will continue until the end of January 2020 in order to help support continuity in our economy during this period.

Mark Carney to stay on as Bank of England governor for a further seven months, MPs told

And Philip Hammond has just told MPs that Mark Carney will stay on as governor of the Bank of England - but only for another seven months.

Until today Carney had been due to leave in June 2019.

I’m back in the office now that the Economists for Free Trade meeting is over. I will post a summary soon.

While I’ve been there, Philip Hammond, the chancellor, has been taking questions in the Commons. As my colleague Peter Walker points out, he sounded mildly sceptical about the case for maintaining the freeze on fuel duty.

Q: [To the MPs in the room] Will you back Boris Johnson if May does not change course?

The MPs groan and protest. The questioner does not get a proper answer.

And that’s it. It’s over.

Q: [From my colleague Pippa Crerar] What will you do if Theresa May does not agree? And, Boris Johnson, will you throw your hat in the ring?

God bless you, says Steve Baker. You are asking the question everyone wants to ask. But this is not about personalities; this is about policy.

MPs cheer.

Jacob Rees-Mogg says he will vote against Chequers.

Asked for a contribution, Boris Johnson says he agrees with Baker and Rees-Mogg.

Q: But what happens if May refuses to budge?

Johnson refuses to address this.

Rees-Mogg says the vote on the legislation won’t be a vote of confidence. They can vote down Chequers on the Monday and back the PM in a vote of confidence on the Tuesday.

Baker says people in the room know that the person who has done the numbers is him. There are nearly 80 Tories who will vote against Chequers.

Iain Duncan Smith chips in too. He disputes the claim that this is an alternative.

(MPs are fond of the sound of their own voices. And Brexiters perhaps more than others. This is sounding less like a press conference, and more like a rally.)

Sir Bill Cash intervenes. He says, as chair of the European scrutiny committee, he know that these common rulebook laws can be changed behind closed doors. It is “completely undemocratic”, he says. Chequers would make things worse because the UK would be bound by these rules without having a say.

Martin Howe intervenes. He says an ECJ ruling recently said that gene editing was covered by laws on GM food.

That shows how ECJ intervene with an important UK industry.

Boris Johnson intervenes. He says he wants to ask Patrick Minford what he feels about the danger of exposing British businesses to the risk of having to comply with EU rules in future.

Minford says Johnson is right to warn about this risk. It is “vassalage” not just economically but politically.

Rees-Mogg addresses a question about why the Brexiters favour a trade deal when trading on WTO terms would be so good.

First, he says, the difference between WTO and a trade deal are not that big.

And, second, he says, other issues come into play. It might be worth accepting “very minor differences” for the sake of a trade deal that involves leaving on good terms.

Here are some of the other Tory Brexiters in the room, as well as those already mentioned: Peter Bone, Iain Duncan Smith, Peter Lilley, Andrew Bridgen, Owen Paterson, Stewart Jackson and Marcus Fysh.

Q: [From the Sun’s Harry Cole] Would you pay the £39bn to the EU on the basis of a promise of a trade deal? And is this your alternative to Chequers?

Steve Baker says he congratulates Bloomberg’s Rob Hutton for an article setting out the ERG’s concerns about Chequers. (This one?)

Baker says the payments to the EU should be staged.

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Q: [From the FT’s George Parker] Is this now your preferred option, given that we have not got time to negotiate a Canada-style deal?

Jacob Rees-Mogg says he does not accept the premise of the question.

He says the UK could go to the EU and ask for a Canada-style deal. The EU likes precedent, he says. He says there is precedent for a Canada deal.

He says tomorrow his group will set out a proposed solution to the Northern Ireland border problem.

He says they will put forward a solution on the border issue “which any reasonable person would accept”.

Steve Baker reiterates the point about Tory Brexiters thinking a free trade deal would be preferable to the WTO option.

It is time to “lift our sights to the world” and address what is a profound problem with the world trading system.

Q&A

The panel are now taking questions.

5 Live’s Andy Bell goes first. He says he would like to hear from Boris Johnson. What will happen if Theresa May persists with Chequers?

Johnson says he is passing the question back to the panel.

Q: So what will happen if Chequers goes through?

Patrick Minford says, if Chequers goes through, “economically - it’s the status quo”. But in political terms, it would amount to vassalage.

(My laptop battery is running now, and being the House of Commons, plugs are in short supply. If the blog goes dead, it will be because my laptop is out of juice.)

Updated

Steve Baker is speaking now. He says he did not go to Eton, so he won’t be as eloquent as Rees-Mogg.

He says most economists are “useless”. But these economists aren’t because their analysis is based in reality, he says.

He says he wants people to be positive about the opportunities offered by Brexit.

He says of course he would prefer a free trade deal with the EU. But he welcomes the report for dispelling myths about the WTO option.

Jacob Rees-Mogg is speaking now. He says Boris Johnson and David Davis are here, and he praises them for resigning over Brexit. They get a round of applause.

He says committee room nine is the Peel room in the House of Commons (his portrait is on the wall). He might be the most important inspiration here because his free trade policy led to prosperity for 50 years, he says.

(Rees-Mogg hasn’t always sounded that enthusiastic about Peel. Recently he wrote a Telegraph article criticising him for breaking a manifesto pledge and splitting the Conservative party.)

Rees-Mogg says people will ask why he is trusting these forecasts when he has been so dismissive of other forecasts, like the Treasury’s. He is not saying the forecasts are right, he says. Trading on WTO terms might be worse for the economy than this report says, or it might be better. But what matters is the direction of travel, he says. And he says in the past Patrick Minford and his colleague, Roger Bootle, have been proved right on the economy.

He says today’s launch will be followed tomorrow by another showing how in future the UK could strike trade deal with the EU.

The first thing to do is to remove the fear of leaving on WTO terms, he says. After that the Brexiters can make the positive case for trade deal, he says.

Here is the Economists for Free Trade news release sent out ahead of today’s meeting.

And here is a further extract.

The EFT report, A World Trade Deal: The Complete Guide, is backed by Jacob Rees-Mogg, chairman of the 60-strong European Research Group of Brexit-supporting Conservative Mps. Mr Rees-Mogg, who will launch the report in the Commons on Tuesday alongside EFT chairman Professor Patrick Minford and senior lawyer Martin Howe QC, said:

“Over the last 25 years exports to the EU from the four leading non-EU states have grown four times faster than exports from the UK under the single market. This fact alone shows why we have nothing to fear from trading on WTO terms. It has succeeded in the past and offers exciting opportunities for the future. Let Brexit mean Brexit and let us flourish under the auspices of the WTO.”

The report also dismisses “hysteria” over alleged shortages of food and medicine under a world trade deal, pointing out that imposing non-tariff barriers to trade are illegal under WTO rules.

“Armageddon-style predictions that the EU would freeze out British goods by refusing to recognise them as complying with EU standards in breach of WTO rules and in a worse way than it treats any other non-EU country are simply not realistic,” it warns. Commission statements contain large amounts of political posturing and should not be taken seriously.

Updated

Here are two Twitter threads from trade experts disputing the Economists for Free Trade claims.

From David Henig, director of the UK Trade Policy Project

Steve Peers, a trade law professor

Updated

Boris Johnson, the former foreign secretary, has just arrived in the room.

Minford says opponents of the WTO option claim it could lead to civil unrest. That is “absurd”, he says.

Prof Patrick Minford is speaking now. He claims that trading on WTO terms would increase GDP by 7% over 15 years. The UK would gain by being able to reduce regulation and control unskilled immigration, he says.

He claims households would gain 8% from lower prices. And the poorest households would gain 15%, he says.

Miller says the economist Prof Patrick Minford and the lawyer Martin Howe QC will speak. Finally the Brexiter MP Jacob Rees-Mogg will wrap up before the Q&A.

Edgar Miller, convenor of Economists for Free Trade, is opening the meeting.

He says there has been “widespread ignorance” about what leaving the EU and trading on WTO terms would entail. To counter that, the group has published a 22-page report on it, he says. He says there is also a pocket guide available.

He says a WTO deal would deliver the long-term economic aims of a clean Brexit. And it is the only clean Brexit available, he says.

It would nullify the impact of tariffs imposed by the EU.

And it would provide an opportunity for the UK to negotiate a proper free trade agreement with the EU, he says.

Economists for Free Trade launch

I’m in committee room nine in the Commons now for the launch of a report by Economists for Free Trade about how the UK could supposedly prosper if it leaves the EU without a deal and has to trade on World Trade Organisation terms. The European Research Group, the Tory faction pushing for a harder Brexit, has not yet published its alternative to Theresa May’s Chequers plan (which the ERG opposes), but this will probably be the next best thing.

It is a medium-sized committee room, and it is now chock-full, with journalists and Brexiter MPs. Sir Bill Cash is about four feet behind me, on my left.

Economists for Free Trade think the UK would do very well trading on WTO terms. Theirs is a view that is contested by mainstream economists, to put it politely.

Here is an extract from the press release sent out in advance.

Britain would be better off trading with the European Union under World Trade Organisation rules, according to a major new academic study of the likely impact of the failure of the UK and the EU to conclude a free trade agreement by the Brexit date of March 29th next year.

A world trade deal under WTO rules would boost the UK’s trade with the rest of the world including Europe, lower domestic prices and boost inward investment, says the report produced by Economists for Free Trade (EFT).

It would also provide a significant uplift in UK economic growth over the next 15 years, raising Treasury revenues by £80 billion, enabling a combination of higher public spending and lower taxes.

In addition, if the EU insisted on slapping WTO tariffs on British exports and Britain responded in kind, because of the large EU trade surplus with the UK, the overall effect would amount to a staggering £13 billion a year boost to UK revenues.

Ministers should make it easier for foreign students to stay in the UK to work after they graduate, a government-commissioned review has concluded. As the Press Assocation reports, leave to remain in the country should be extended for all overseas Masters and PHD students, the Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) recommended. It also said those who come to the country to study should continue to be included in net migration figures.

MAC chairman Professor Alan Manning said international students brought “clear benefits” to the UK. He went on:

They support the education of domestic students, research and local economies,” he said. Graduates are an important source of skilled workers for the UK economy and boost the UK’s soft power.

Labour MPs should not fear activists criticising them, says McDonnell

Labour MPs have nothing to fear from activists criticising their performance, the shadow chancellor John McDonnell has said, arguing that a recent spate of no-confidence motions is little different to what has always happened in the party.

Speaking before his address to the TUC, McDonnell said he was against attempts to impose mandatory reselection for LabourMPs, but that people should not overreact. He told the Today programme:

I keep saying to people: don’t mistake democracy for division, because that’s what democracy is all about, people get up and say, this is what I feel.

He dismissed the idea that Labour had been infiltrated by hardliners who were seeking to push out MPs such as Frank Field – who has now quit the party whip – and Joan Ryan, both of whom have had no-confidence motions passed against them by local parties. Rosie Duffield, the new MP for Canterbury, was also threatened with such a move. He said:

We now have 500,000 members. It’s a huge, mass party now, and of course those members want to get involved in discussions about policy, and also they will reflect at times their view about the performance of their local MP.

And we’ve had a small number of incidents that we’ve seen – two or three – where parties have come together and they’ve expressed concern about the performance of their MP. That’s happened right the way through the history of our party. It’s nothing untoward.

On the Today programme John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, was asked about Matthew Taylor’s argument that Labour’s employment rights plan could cost jobs. (See 10.22am.) McDonnell said he had “a lot of time” for Taylor, but that he disagreed with him on this. He said:

This is the argument that’s put up by people who opposed to any form of trade union reform, or any form of extension of rights. I think now we are reaching levels of insecurity within our economy about employment almost going back to the 1930s ... There are levels of exploitation that we haven’t seen for generations.

My dad was a docker. In those days you would stand on the side of the road and you would not know from one day to another when you would get employment. You would be pointed at for that day if you were working; if not, you would go home. Well, that’s what’s happening with zero-hours contracts, that’s what’s happening with the gig economy.

And people say this is because people want it, it gives them flexibility. Actually, it’s exploitation.

Labour employment rights plan could cost job, says Matthew Taylor

Matthew Taylor, the former Blair adviser who led the Taylor review on modern working practices for the government (see 9.28am), was on the Today programme this morning talking about the Labour proposals. His review did not propose all “gig economy” workers getting the same rights as other workers from day one (which is what John McDonnell advocates). Taylor explained why:

If people ... got the full suite of employment rights on day one, in a sense they would not really be casual workers. And one would imagine that, if you were an employer and you were providing these rights on day one - rights, for example, to claim unfair dismissal, to maternity leave, things like this - probably then the employer would then, as a quid pro quo, expect you to give notice of leaving your employment ...

I think what you would see [under the Labour plan] is some of the casual work turning into long-term, full employment, which I guess is the aim of the Labour policy. I think you would almost certainly see some of those jobs going because, if employers were required to provide this full set of rights, they probably wouldn’t feel it was possible for them to create those jobs because of the kind of requirements that would be upon them.

And it is worth remembering that surveys consistently find that about two thirds of people who work in these ways, who work in short-term or temporary work, say that’s the way they want to work. They wouldn’t, for example, like to have have to give notice of the fact that they want to terminate that employment.

Taylor also told the programme that almost every other country in the world does have a category of “gig economy” worker in labour law who does not have the same rights as a full-time employee. And he also said he thought the Labour plan would be “very hard to implement”.

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The unemployment figures are out. The Press Association has sent snapped these:

Unemployment fell by 55,000 between May and July to 1.36 million, official figures show.

Average earnings increased by 2.6% in the year to July, up from 2.4% in the previous month, the Office for National Statistics said.

The ONS figures are here. There will be more coverage on our business live blog.

What Labour is proposing on employment rights

In a briefing note released this morning the Labour party gave more details of its plans to extend all rights to all workers from day one. It said:

Currently, all types of workers have the right to the following on day one of their employment: the national minimum wage; working time rights (including breaks, paid holidays and a limit on the working week); health and safety protection; the right to join a union; and protection from unlawful discrimination.

However, some rights have a qualifying period, which varies between different types of workers. For example, agency workers gain the right to equal treatment on pay, holidays and working time, and to improved pregnancy rights, only after 12 weeks in post.

Additional rights are only available to those workers classified as “employees” but not to workers classified as “limb b.” These include: sick pay; unfair dismissal protection; minimum notice periods to terminate; maternity/paternity/adoption leave.

Labour believes that differential treatment encourages employers to use ever more ingenious contracts in order to get out of obligations to their workforce. Labour will reverse this incentive by redefining the legal work relationship and getting rid of qualifying periods. This will give all workers equal rights on day one of their engagement. Stronger rights e.g. to a longer holiday allowance, may still be accumulated through length of service.

In the note Labour also said it would beef up enforcement of workers’ rights. It said:

Labour will strengthen enforcement of labour market rights by:

Empowering enforcement agencies to impose punitive fines on employers not meeting their responsibilities, helping to deter others from doing the same

Involving trade unions in enforcement e.g. by giving them a seat on the governing bodies of key enforcement agencies

Expanding and guaranteeing funding for the enforcement agencies to ensure they have the skills, personnel and resources to enforce workers’ rights

Abolishing ‘payroll companies’ (agencies which purport to employ workers who work for an end-user, so allowing the end-user to evade the responsibilities of employing the worker directly)

Abolishing zero hours contracts by requiring employers to guarantee minimum hours (not less than the average worked over the previous 12 weeks)

Giving genuine employment agencies and end-users joint responsibility for ensuring that the rights of agency workers are enforced

Rolling out sectoral collective bargaining across the economy

Strengthening trade union rights, because empowering people to claim their own rights in the workplace is the most effective means of enforcement

Establishing a Ministry of Labour, so that workers have a voice at the cabinet table.

McDonnell says best way to improve lives of workers is through unions and collective action

When Theresa May became prime minister she asked Matthew Taylor, the former head of policy for Tony Blair who now runs the RSA thinktank, to head a review into “the gig economy”. His report, Good work: the Taylor review of modern working practices (pdf), was published last summer. Taylor summarises his proposals here. May spoke at the report’s launch, but she did not commit to backing all its recommendations and the government is still considering which of them it will implement.

In his speech to the TUC today John McDonnell will argue that the Taylor recommendations did not go far enough. He will say:

The answers to the gig economy won’t be found in the pages of the government’s Taylor report or in the months of consultation that have followed.

Because the report’s starting point is that flexibility must come at the price of insecurity. This is wrong.

Just because you don’t work regular hours doesn’t mean you can afford not to work when you are sick.

Just because you work several jobs doesn’t mean you can afford to lose one of them without warning.

Just because you value the freedom of independence or the convenience of flexibility doesn’t mean you have to forgo basic rights.

He will also argue that Taylor did not place enough importance on the role of trade unions.

Taken with our commitments to repeal anti-trade union legislation and strengthen trade union rights, to give workers a seat at the cabinet table by establishing a Ministry of Labour and to roll out sectoral collective bargaining across the economy what we are proposing to amounts to the biggest extension of individual and collective rights our country has ever seen, a plan that will irreversibly transform our workplaces and working lives.

And it has trade unions right at its heart.

Because even if the government adopt every positive recommendation in Taylor, it will not be enough. Taylor ignored a crucial lesson of history – that the most effective way to improve the lives of working people is through trade unions and collective action.

We won’t forget, because it’s the principle our movement was founded on.

Labour would introduce 'biggest extension' of workers' rights UK has ever seen, says McDonnell

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, got a new press officer recently and the guy is obviously doing a pretty good job. McDonnell has received a lot of broadly positive coverage in the press recently (including this lengthy interview/profile in the New Statesman by Jason Cowley, which is well worth reading), and when I came into the office this morning at one point McDonnell appeared on BBC News and Sky at exactly the same time, while simultaneously his voice was coming out of the radio because he was being interviewed on Today. Wall-to-wall John McDonnell - perhaps, this is what life will be like under socialism. Alternatively, he’s just learning how it feels to be Jacob Rees-Mogg.

McDonnell was being interviewed about the speech he will be giving at the TUC conference later, and his main announcement is that Labour would ensure that casual workers in the “gig economy” would get the same rights as proper employees from day one. It is not entirely clear how much this goes beyond what was promised in Labour’s 2017 manifesto (pdf), but there is nothing wrong with restating and updating policy, and McDonnell is saying that, combined with other promises, Labour would be offering “the biggest extension” of workers’ rights ever seen in the UK. He will tell the TUC:

Our manifesto, For the Many not the Few, published a full nine months before [the government’s Taylor report on modern working practices], contains a simple set of policies that would put a complete stop to exploitation in the gig economy.

First, shift the burden of proof, so that the law treats you as a worker unless the employer can prove otherwise.

Second, extend full rights to all workers including so-called “limb b” workers entitling everyone in insecure work to sick pay, maternity rights, and the right against unfair dismissal from day one of their employment.

Third, properly resource HMRC and fine employers who break the rules so that people get the rights they are entitled to.

It’s not rocket science.

When employers use legal loopholes and weak enforcement to duck their responsibilities close those legal loopholes and strengthen enforcement.

When technology creates new employment relations extend regulation to keep pace.

And when the balance of power shifts so dramatically away from workers as it has done today it’s time for us to tip it back.

Taken with our commitments to repeal anti-trade union legislation and strengthen trade union rights, to give workers a seat at the cabinet table by establishing a Ministry of Labour and to roll out sectoral collective bargaining across the economy what we are proposing to amounts to the biggest extension of individual and collective rights our country has ever seen, a plan that will irreversibly transform our workplaces and working lives.

I will post more from McDonnell’s interviews soon.

Here is the agenda for the day.

9.30am: Theresa May chairs cabinet.

9.30am: Unemployment figures are published.

9.30am: Lord Hall, director general of the BBC, gives evidence to the Commons culture committee on the gender pay gap at a hearing in Manchester.

10am: Chloe Smith, the constitution minister, gives evidence to public administration and constitutional affairs committee about voter identification.

11am: The Conservative Brexiter Jacob Rees-Mogg speaks at the launch of an Economists for Free Trade report on what would happen if the UK leaves the EU without a deal and trades with the EU on World Trade Organisation (WTO) terms.

11.30am: Philip Hammond, the chancellor, takes questions in the Commons.

3.35pm: Hammond gives evidence to the Lords economic affairs committee.

Around 4pm: John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, speaks to the TUC conference in Manchester.

As usual, I will also be covering breaking political news as it happens, as well as bringing you the best reaction, comment and analysis from the web. I plan to post a summary at lunchtime and another when I finish, probably around 5ish after the Hammond and McDonnell events finish.

You can read all today’s Guardian politics stories here.

Here is the Politico Europe round-up of this morning’s political news. And here is the PoliticsHome list of today’s top 10 must-reads.

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