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Barnier says there will be checks on GB/NI trade after Brexit, despite Johnson denying this – as it happened

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Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, in the European parliament earlier today.
Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, in the European parliament earlier today. Photograph: Jean-François Badias/AP

Afternoon summary

  • Richard Leonard, the Scottish Labour leader, has said he backs home rule for Scotland. (See 4.13pm.)
  • Boris Johnson has refused to rule out the UK and the EU failing to agree a post-Brexit trade deal by the end of this year. This was one of many lines that emerged from an interview that Johnson gave to BBC Breakfast this morning. See 10.03am for a full summary.
  • Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, has said that there will be checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland after Brexit under arrangements set out in the withdrawal agreement. Yesterday Boris Johnson claimed that this was not the case. (See 3.32pm.)
  • Jess Phillips, a Labour leadership candidate, has used an article in the Guardian to argue that citizens’ assemblies should be used to shape climate crisis policy. (See 5.02pm.)
  • Gavin Williamson, the education secretary, has said that Britain remains “open” to participating in the Erasmus+ EU student exchange programme after Brexit – although he also said the government was looking at alternatives. Speaking in the Queen’s speech debate he said:

As we prepare to forge a new place on the international stage, we want our young people to have the opportunity to study abroad through exchange programmes.

The United Kingdom is open to participation in the next Erasmus+ programme and this will be a question for future negotiations with the European Union.

We do truly understand the value that such exchange programmes bring all students right across the United Kingdom, but to ensure we’re able to continue to offer that, we’ll also develop our own alternative arrangements should they be needed.

That’s all from me for today.

Thanks for the comments.

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Jess Phillips says citizens assemblies should be used to shape climate crisis policy

The Labour leadership candidate Jess Phillips has also written an article for the Guardian setting out a six-point plan for restoring trust in politics. Her proposals included: a fairer voting system; using citizen assemblies to shape climate crisis policy; voting at 16, with people being automatically enrolled on the electoral register when they get a national insurance number; and a body to regulate online political advertising. It is all quite constructive and high-minded.

In the article she also describes Boris Johnson as a “blond baboon”, which is less constructive and high-minded.

First, we need to be honest, even if that’s uncomfortable. On social care we need to be clear that looking after the elderly will require people to contribute more in tax. When we’re asked whether immigration is too high, instead of fudging a response, let’s say what we think: no, it isn’t. The public isn’t stupid – people know when we’re trying to avoid saying something.

Second, we need a new approach in order to reach decisions on long-term challenges. On climate breakdown, we need a plan that involves the public much more. Citizens’ assemblies are increasingly used around the world to build consensus. In Ireland, they helped pave the way for the historic changes on abortion, while in Poland they improved government response to major flooding. It’s time we used them here.

Here is an extract.

Here is Newsnight’s diplomatic editor, Mark Urban, on our story about the latest Westminster response to US concerns about Huawei.

Jess Phillips has released details of some of the people who will be running her campaign for the Labour leadership. Wes Streeting, the Labour MP for Ilford North, and Melanie Onn, the former Labour MP for Great Grimsby, are the campaign chairs. Here are the other appointments from the Phillips press release.

Alicia Kennedy is the campaign director. Alicia is a Labour peer, a former deputy general secretary of the Labour party and was until recently chief of staff to the deputy leader

Rachel Kinnock, is overseeing visits and campaign events

Caroline Badley who is heading up operations

Ruth Smeeth leads on stakeholder engagement

Matt Goddin is heading up the field team supported by Steph Lloyd and Labour Students chair Rania Ramli

Francis Grove-White, formerly of the Labour party head office and the People’s Vote campaign will be leading on political strategy

Blair McDougall, who was chief strategist at Better Together, and Will Straw, former executive director of the Stronger In campaign, will act as advisors, particularly on winning again in Scotland and championing a close relationship for Britain with Europe after Brexit

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Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard backs home rule for Scotland

The Scottish Labour leader Richard Leonard has now issued his own statement about Boris Johnson’s decision to rule out letting Scotland hold another independence referendum. It goes further than the statement from Scottish Labour earlier. (See 1.42pm.) Leonard says:

I have long argued that the future of Scotland will be won and lost in Scotland, and not on the banks of the river Thames. Boris Johnson’s decision to block a second independence referendum in perpetuity does not change this. And it is spectacular naively to think this will close the issue down. It will only inflame the debate, as Boris Johnson’s history of demagoguery and division shows he is well practiced in doing.

Scotland and the whole UK are deeply unequal societies which desperately need radical change. But the Tories are hell-bent on destroying what is left of the welfare state, and the SNP are advocating a decade of cuts in a separate Scottish state.

The people of Scotland rejected independence in 2014, but Scotland remains divided. I believe that home rule within the UK is the only viable option that stands a chance of healing the divisions in our society. We can’t wait for a UK Labour government to deliver this, so we must demand it now and mobilise for radical change.

While Leonard has long been a thoughtful advocate of federalism, I’m pretty sure that this is the first time he has talked about home rule specifically since he became leader.

Former UK Labour leader Gordon Brown has regularly advocated sweeping powers for the Scottish parliament under a federal UK state, describing it as “unifying” third option between the status quo and independence.

In the Financial Times’ regular lunchtime Brexit briefing email, George Parker says there was a “curious change of tone” in what Boris Johnson said about the prospects of getting a UK-EU trade deal before the end of 2020 in his BBC interview this morning. (See 10.03am.) Parker explains:

Boris Johnson spent the general election campaign saying there was “absolutely zero” chance that Britain and the EU would not agree a trade deal by his self-imposed deadline of December 2020, but on Tuesday something changed.

Rather than sticking to his script, the prime minister told BBC’s Breakfast programme that it was only “epically likely” that a deal would be in place, admitting one could not account for “a complete failure of common sense”.

It is a curious change of tone. Mr Johnson’s previous categoric assertion that a deal would be done in 11 months was intended to close down speculation about what he would do in the event of a “no trade deal” Brexit on January 1 2021.

Now he will have stoked business concerns that such an outcome, with Britain trading on World Trade Organization terms, is again a possibility. Tariffs, quotas, paperwork and queues at Dover won’t make it a very happy new year for business.

Or is Mr Johnson, whose “die in a ditch” rhetoric about Brexit day last October turned out to be just rhetoric, leaving the door ajar for a possible extension to the transition period — something explicitly ruled out in the Conservative manifesto?

The County Councils Network, which represents counties in England, has welcomed what Boris Johnson said in his BBC interview this morning about tackling county lines drug dealing. (See 10.03am.) Sam Corcoran, the leader of Cheshire East council and the CCN’s environment and communities spokesperson, said:

Today’s comments from the prime minister shows that tackling county lines is a real priority for this government. Drug crime and serious youth violence are too often seen as ‘urban’ problems far removed from the rural shires. However, over recent years the largest proportional increases in knife crime have been in county areas, substantially so in some places, which our members attribute to the growing reach of county lines crime and exploitation into rural areas.

This is a complex issue, and one that will need local organisations working together to eradicate county lines in their areas. County authorities must be part of any solution, and need adequate levels of funding to protect vulnerable young people who end up being exploited by drugs gangs. At the same time, our communities would benefit from an increased police presence – so it is imperative that a rise in police numbers is reflected across the country, not just urban areas.

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Newt Gingrich, the leading US Republican and a former Speaker of the House of Representatives, seems a bit alarmed by the line Boris Johnson took on Huawei in his BBC interview this morning. (See 10.03am.)

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Britain believes the information dramatically presented by a delegation from Donald Trump’s administration about the risks of using Huawei technology in 5G networks contains nothing its intelligence agencies had not foreseen, my colleague Dan Sabbagh reports.

Barnier says there will be checks on goods entering Northern Ireland from Britain after Brexit, despite Johnson claiming otherwise

Michel Barnier, the EU’s chief Brexit negotiator, was speaking in the European parliament earlier. According to Daniel Ferrie, a European commission spokesman, Barnier insisted that the Northern Ireland protocol (the post-Brexit arrangement negotiated by Boris Johnson keeping Northern Ireland in the single market, as an alternative to the backstop) would involve checks on goods going from Britain to Northern Ireland.

Yesterday Johnson claimed that there would be no such checks.

A Labour peer has been suspended by the party after the first investigation under the Lords’ new misonduct system found he harassed two women, one of whom accused him of “stalker-ish” behaviour.

The report by Lucy Scott-Moncrieff, the Lords commissioner for standards, found that David Lea, a former trade unionist made a peer in 2019, had been the subject of 18 complaints between 2011 and 2019, including shouting at or otherwise bullying staff, making a racially offensive remark, and inappropriate behaviour towards a woman.

One of these complaints, by a woman named only as AB, was made in 2018, but resubmitted last year after the introduction of the revised Lords code of conduct focused on better combating bullying and harassment.

AB said she was left distressed after Lord Lea, whom she had joined on an official parliamentary visit some years ago but had no dealings with since, sent her a package including a framed photo of them on the visit. It also included a letter inviting her to his house, and saying he had a copy of the photo on his piano at home. AB said this felt “slightly stalkerish”.

Lord Lea, 82, told the inquiry that while he apologised he did not understand why AB had been upset, “unless she had some feelings of affection for me”.

The other complaint, which was made separately, came from a woman identified as TU, who said that when she was alone in the room where she worked he would repeatedly come in to talk, asking her to come for a cup of tea with him, and once promised to write her a sexually suggestive poem.

TU told the inquiry: “I just want to be able to come to work, do my job and be a work person rather than a woman at work.”

Scott-Moncrieff said both cases constituted harassment, with Lea agreeing to undergo training.

A Labour Lords spokesman said:

The chief whip has informed Lord Lea that he is suspended from the Labour peers group until further notice. We appreciate that David has already begun the recommended training and further discussions will be had once that course has been completed to the satisfaction of the commissioner.

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Why having Big Ben bong for Brexit would cost up to £500,000

Anyone wanting to understand fully Brexit could do a lot worse than trying to make sense of the obsession that a few Brexiters have with getting Big Ben to chime to mark the moment when the UK leaves the EU. Normally Big Ben chimes every hour, but it has been silenced for some time because of a four-year restoration programme. This is a tale that tells you something about the Brexiters’ preoccupation with history, tradition and symbolism, as well as about the way some newspaper coverage operates in a curious grey zone between the serious and the absurd. All this helps to explain why 60 Tory Brexiters wrote to the Sunday Telegraph at the weekend demanding that Big Ben should bong for Brexit. And it explains why Boris Johnson himself felt obliged to make a concession to this nonsense in his BBC interview this morning by floating the idea of having some sort of public appeal to pay for Brexit bongs. (See 10.03am.)

Johnson did, though, seem to acknowledge that it would be be unreasonable to expect the government to pay the £500,000 cost of getting Big Ben to chime on 31 January. And today the House of Commons commission has put out a press notice explaining why it would cost so much. Here’s an extract.

For the bell to ring on 31 January, the temporary striking mechanism used for Remembrance Sunday and New Year’s Eve would need to be reattached and tested to ensure the timing is correct.

Alongside this work, a temporary floor of the belfry where Big Ben is housed, would also need to be installed as extensive work is currently taking place in this area.

The cost for the temporary floor and installing, testing and striking Big Ben would be approximately £120,000.

In addition to the set-up, the delay to work in the belfry would push back the planned programme of work by two to four weeks – with each week of delays costing approximately £100,000 a week.

As such, the minimum cost of sounding Big Ben would be £320,000 – but could be much higher (up to £500,00).

Based on this information, the commission felt that this extra expenditure could not be justified, but will respond to any change to this decision made by the house.

In a statement explaining why the commission did not support spending this money, Sir Lindsay Hoyle, the Speaker, said:

The commission believes it is important to weigh up the costs this would involve if Big Ben is to chime on 31 January. You are talking about £50,000 a bong.

We also have to bear in mind that the only people who will hear it will be those who live near or are visiting Westminster.

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This is from Carwyn Jones, the former first minister of Wales.

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, has welcomed his tweet.

Scottish Labour has provided a suitably non-committal response to Boris Johnson’s refusal to grant Holyrood the powers to hold a second independence referendum. The party’s spokesperson for the constitution, Alex Rowley, said:

The immediate priority for both the prime minister and the first minister should be minimising the damage caused by Brexit.

There are conversations to be had in the future about other issues, but at the moment the focus should be on protecting Scotland’s interests in the face of our imminent exit from the EU.

Regular readers will know that these “conversations” lately have included the Scottish Labour executive rejecting last Saturday leader Richard Leonard’s proposals for a special conference on federalism. Leonard was proposing that the party consider supporting a multi-option referendum on independence, but the party instead decided to hold a private “away day” to decide its future policy on the union.

Since Scottish Labour’s disastrous election result, a number of senior Labour figures, including defeated Scottish MPs, have said the party needs to accept the case for a referendum, and also consider splitting away from the UK party.

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In his BBC interview Boris Johnson also spoke about the considerations he will take into account when deciding whether or not to allow the Chinese firm Huawei a role in building the UK’s 5G network. (See 10.03am.) Australia banned Huawei from its 5G networks in 2018 and, in an interview on the World at One, the former Australian prime minister Malcolm Turnbull said the UK would be potentially vulnerable if it used the Chinese firm for this work. He said:

5G means it isn’t possible to separate the sensitive parts of the network with the bulk of it, so we concluded that it wasn’t acceptable for high-risk vendors to provide 5G infrastructure in Australia.

Turnbull said Chinese telecoms companies like Huawei were obliged to assist their intelligence services. And he claimed that the “five eyes” countries - the five English speaking countries that share intelligence (the US, the UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand) had been too complacent about the threat posed by the company. He said:

The five eyes countries have been asleep at the switch in allowing China to own most of the companies that possess the capability to provide 5G networks.

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Raab insists UK still committed to Iran nuclear deal, despite PM's comments in BBC interview

In his BBC interview this morning Boris Johnson said President Trump should work on a replacement for the the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the deal with Iran that ensured it abandoned work on acquiring a nuclear bomb. (See 10.03am.) His comment coincided with the UK, France and Germany – the E3, the three individual EU states that were party to the JCPOA – issuing a statement accusing Iran of not meeting its obligations under the deal, and triggering the dispute mechanism.

Here is the text of the statement from the E3. And here is my colleague Patrick Wintour’s story on this.

In the Commons Dominic Raab, the foreign secretary, has just delivered a statement explaining the reasons behind the E3 statement. According to the statement, the E3 are still committed to making the JCPOA work.

Emily Thornberry, the shadow foreign secretary, asked Raab why Boris Johnson was calling for a replacement to the JCPOA in his BBC interview if it was official government policy to maintain it. She told MPs:

So, in the space of two or three days, the prime minister has gone from signing a joint statement with France and Germany calling for the retention and restoration of the JCPOA to calling for it to be scrapped and replaced by some mythical Trump deal.

Responding to Thornberry, Raab said that Johnson fully supported the JCPOA, and that it was Iran that was threatening the agreement. He also said it was not just President Trump who had argued for a broader deal with Iran; President Macron was making that case too, Raab said.

He said the UK government thought the JCPOA was “the best available deal for restraining Iran’s nuclear ambitions”. But he also said the UK was “fully open to a broader initiative which would address not just the nuclear concerns but the broader concerns around the destabilising activity that we have seen recently”.

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In the Commons the transport minister Paul Maynard is responding to an urgent question about Flybe. But he has not revealed much about the government’s intentions. He said the government was working hard on what it might do to support the company, but he refused to go into detail. And he said he would not comment on reports that air passenger duty could be cut to help the airline. APD was a matter for the Treasury, he said.

Sturgeon tells Johnson his rejection of referendum will increase support for Scottish independence

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, has issued this response to Boris Johnson’s decision to rule out allowing Scotland to hold another independence referendum. (See 11.22am.)

She accuses Johnson of showing “utter contempt for the votes, views and interest of the people of Scotland”.

And she claims that the PM’s stance will end up being self-defeating. She explains:

The problem for the UK government is that the longer they try to block a referendum, the more they demonstrate that the Westminster union is not a partnership of equals and the more support for independence will grow.

It will also mean for the Tories that the loss of half of their seats suffered at the recent general election - fought by them on the sole issue of opposition to an independence referendum - will be only the start of their road back to political oblivion in Scotland.

In short, as well as being unsustainable, the position set out today by the UK government is also an entirely self-defeating one.

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Ireland is to hold a general election on Saturday 8 February, RTE is reporting. RTE has full coverage on a live blog.

Labour leadership hopeful Jess Phillips is visiting Glasgow today where she’ll be meeting Labour activists later on. Scottish Labour is still smarting from the loss of all its Scottish MPs but one in last December’s general election, and at a meeting of the Scottish executive on Saturday rejected leader Richard Leonards proposals for a special conference on federalism, which could have seen the party support a multi-option referendum on independence.

Phillips has been one of the few leadership candidates so far to take head-on the issue of Scotland and Scottish independence – yesterday she got involved in a Twitter spat with first minister and SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon, arguing that “the SNP’s abject failings on education and health show that it is your administration that remains a threat to opportunity and equality for working people in Scotland.”

Today Phillips is expected to reinforce her message, pledging that a Labour party led by her would be “100 per cent committed to the union”.

A slightly curious feud between No 10 and Good Morning Britain (GMB), ITV’s breakfast programme, has escalated after host Piers Morgan rang Boris Johnson’s head of communications to protest at the PM giving an interview to the BBC rather than them.

The tension dates back to the election, when GMB sent a camera crew to Pudsey in West Yorkshire to ambush Johnson on an early-morning campaign visit to a dairy company after being denied an interview. Johnson escaped into a fridge, although Downing Street aides insisted he was not hiding.

The PM gave his first post-New Year TV interview to BBC1’s Breakfast. Morgan appeared to learn this live on air, and decided to phone Lee Cain, the No 10 communications chief.

“I’m just going to call Lee Cain. He’s the Downing Street press officer that keep betraying us,” Morgan said.

Cain did not answer, so Morgan left him a message:

We’ve just found out that you’ve betrayed us and given another interview with Boris to BBC Breakfast, and you’ve also banned all your cabinet from coming on the show. So we’re going to play games with you too. I’m going to ring you live on air every day that I’m here until you stop this pathetic, childish behaviour, and you start honouring your promises. So good morning Lee, have a good day.

Saying that he enjoyed “a good feud”, Morgan also called for action from Johnson’s press secretary, Robert Oxley, who shielded the PM during the dairy company visit: “Mr Oxley, what’s his name? He’s the one who was jostling our reporter.”

Johnson tells Sturgeon he won't give her power to hold second independence referendum

Before Christmas Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland’s first minister, formally wrote to Boris Johnson requesting a section 30 order - permission under section 30 of the Scotland Act for Scotland to hold a referendum on independence. She enclosed with her letter a 38-page report (pdf) published by the Scottish government explaining why the Scottish government believes a second referendum is justified.

In his letter Johnson rejects the request – not just for now (which was the line used by Theresa May when she rejected Sturgeon first request for a second independence referendum after the Brexit vote), or until the next Holyrood elections in 2021 (the line used by Jeremy Corbyn in the general election). He rejects it for the foreseeable future, on the grounds that Scotland settled this matter in the 2104 referendum.

He says:

You and your predecessor made a personal promise that the 2014 independence referendum was a “once in a generation” vote ...

The UK government will continue to uphold the democratic decision of the Scottish people and the promise that you made to them. For that reason, I cannot agree to any request for a transfer of power that would lead to further independence referendums.

Another independence referendum would continue the political stagnation that Scotland has seen for the last decade, with Scottish schools, hospitals and jobs again left behind because of the campaign to separate the UK.

This is not unexpected. During the election campaign Johnson repeatedly said he would not allow a second independence referendum, claiming that if Labour were elected the UK would end up having two further referendums, on Brexit and on Scottish independence.

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These are from my colleague Lisa O’Carroll on Boris Johnson’s interview, and what he said about Brexit. (See 10.03am.)

McDonnell says air passenger duty should not be cut just to help Flybe

John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has said that it would be a mistake for the government to cut air passenger duty to help the regional airline Flybe. This option is being considered. But McDonnell said in a statement:

Bailing out a company through a tax cut across the industry is not the way forward. Working with the company and unions, the government should look at targeted assistance to support routes judged on economic, environmental and social grounds.

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Boris Johnson's BBC Breakfast interview - summary and analysis

That was Boris Johnson’s first interview of 2020, and his first extensive broadcast interview since the general election. It wasn’t one for the history books, it wasn’t over-forensic, and perhaps the main takeaway is that Johnson has just as prone to using bluster, evasion and hyperbole when faced with difficult questions as he was before he went on his New Year holiday. Still, he was not untruthful in the way that he was yesterday, when talking about post-Brexit GB/NI trade in his press conference in Northern Ireland, and he covered quite a lot of ground, giving sometimes interesting answers.

Here are the main points.

  • Johnson said that he wanted to see county lines drug gangs “totally wound up”. He said:

I want to see crime come down. I want to see the county lines drugs gangs wound up, rolled up. They are reducing the quality of life for people across our country, they are killing young kids. I want to see that thing totally wound up.

This is a fine ambition, but Johnson did not give details of any how this might happen and, as a goal, it may not be realistic. But perhaps people won’t mind if they believe that at least he is trying.

  • He described Brexit as one of his “least favourite subjects”. When the presenter, Dan Walker, turned to Brexit, saying it was one of Johnson’s favourite subjects, Johnson replied:

It is one of my least favourite subjects, because we need to move on.

This is not the first time that Johnson has made this point, but it does reinforce suggestions that the man who led the Vote Leave campaign in 2016 is not convinced that the whole project has been an undiluted triumph.

  • He refused to rule out the UK and the EU failing to reach a trade deal by the end of this year. Asked what the chances were of the two sides achieving a comprehensive trade deal by the end of this year, he replied:

I think it’s very likely. I’m not going to give you a percentage.

When Walker put it to him that in the past he had sounded more confident than this, Johnson revised his language. He said:

Enormously likely, how about that? Epically likely ... Obviously you always have to budget for a complete failure of common sense. That goes without saying. But I am very, very, very confident - three verys there - that we will get [a deal].

In the past other ministers, like Michael Gove (here), have categorically ruled out the UK and the EU failing to agree a trade deal by the end of 2020. Perhaps Johnson’s relative reticence was explained by Walker’s inclusion of the word “comprehensive” in his question. Most experts think a basic “bare bones” trade deal could be negotiated before the end of this year, but not a comprehensive one. Ursula Von der Leyen, the European commission president, has said there won’t be time to negotiate a full deal before the end of this year.

  • He refused to give a firm commitment to saving the regional airline Flybe, but said the government was strongly committed to regional connectivity. Asked if the government would step in to help the firm, he replied:

Well, it’s not for government to step in and save companies that simply run into trouble. But be in no doubt that we see the importance of Flybe in delivering connectivity across the whole United Kingdom. It’s very important, for instance, where I was yesterday in Northern Ireland.

When pressed on what the government might do, he replied:

I can’t go into commercially confident discussions ... We’re working very hard to do what we can. But obviously people will understand that there are limits commercially to what a government can do to rescue any particular firm.

But what we will do is ensure that we have the regional connectivity that this country needs, and that is part of our agenda of uniting and levelling up.

  • He refused to say whether the Chinese company Huawei would be allowed a role in constructing the UK’s 5G infrastructure network. Asked about this, he said:

The British public deserve to have access to the best possible technology. I’ve talked about infrastructure and technology. We want to put in gigabit broadband for everybody.

Now if people oppose one brand or another, then they have to tell us what’s the alternative.

On the other hand, let’s be clear. I don’t want as UK prime minister to put in any infrastructure that is going to prejudice our national security or our ability to cooperate with five eyes intelligence partners.

The American government has been strongly urging the UK to boycott Huawei, claiming that it would pose a security threat (because in practice Huawei is under the control of the Chinese government). But there are also claims that the US opposition to Huawei is to a large extent driven by commercial considerations, as much as security ones, and the head of MI5 has said that he does not believe the US would cut off security cooperation with the UK, as it threatens to do, if the UK does award contracts to Huawei. It is impossible to tell what the UK will decide on the basis of Johnson’s answer, but he sounded less inclined to boycott Huawei than in previous answers he has given to this question. For example, compare today’s words with what he said on this at the Nato summit in December.

  • Johnson said he expected the intelligence and security committee’s report on Russian interference in UK politics to be published within weeks, but claimed that it would not be as sensational as critics assumed. He said:

I happen to have to read it, and I think that after all that awful clamour in the election campaign people are going to be disappointed. But, anyway, it will appear.

As for when it would be published, he said that he thought that would be within weeks. But he admitted he did not know for sure. The report won’t be published until a new ISC has been set up, and that is not happening quickly.

  • Johnson said he would announce a plan for reforming social care this year, and implement it during this parliament. Asked why he had not done this already, he said:

We will bring forward a plan this year and we will get it done within this parliament. This is a big, big thing. I mean, this is a potentially massive change in the way we fund social care, and we’ve got to get it right.

We have got to think very carefully about how we do it because there are lots of quite important moral and social issues contained in it.

You know, should taxpayers be paying for people who might be able to afford it? What is the relationship you want to encourage, should families be looking after their own, their elderly relatives [and] to what extent?

All these are very complex questions. The key thing is that everybody must have safety and security in their old age, nobody should sell their home to pay for the cost of that care. We will do that.

Johnson was unable to explain to Walker why he was taking so long to publish his plan when he claimed in July last year, on the day be became PM, to already had a plan. In his first speech from No 10 Johnson said: “I am announcing now – on the steps of Downing Street – that we will fix the crisis in social care once and for all with a clear plan we have prepared to give every older person the dignity and security they deserve.”

  • He said the chances of the Americans extraditing Anne Sacoolas, the wife of an intelligence official accused of killing Harry Dunn in a road accident, were “very low”. Asked about this case, he said:

I think that it’s right that we made the appeal for extradition ... I think the chances of America actually responding by sending Anne Sacoolas to this country are very low. That’s not what they do.

  • He rejected claims that he should have ended his New Year holiday early to return to deal with the Iran crisis. Asked about this, he said:

I was not in this country but I worked very hard, as you can imagine, in making sure there was a European response.

  • He praised the Iranians for taking responsibility for shooting down the Ukrainian passenger airliner. He said

I’m glad the Iranians have accepted responsibility and identified it as an appalling mistake and it does appear that it was a mistake.

It is very important that the bodies are repatriated in a dignified way and that the families are allowed to grieve and to have closure.

Clearly, as President Rouhani has said, Iran made a terrible mistake. It is good they have apologised.

The most important thing now is that tensions in the region calm down.

  • Johnson urged President Trump to come up with a replacement for the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA), the deal with Iran that ensured it abandoned work on acquiring a nuclear bomb. He said:

If we are going to get rid of it then we need a replacement.

The problem with the JCPOA – this is the crucial thing, it’s why there is this tension – the problem with the agreement is that from the American perspective it’s a flawed agreement, it expires, plus it was negotiated by President Obama. From their point of view it has many, many faults.

If we are going to get rid of it, let’s replace it and let’s replace it with the Trump deal. That’s what we need to see. I think that would be a great way forward. President Trump is a great deal-maker - by his own account and many others. Let’s work together to replace the JCPOA and get the Trump deal instead.

  • Johnson played down reports that he intends to keep a relatively low media profile as PM. At the weekend there were reports that he decision to let Ben Wallace, the defence secretary, take the lead in briefing MPs on the Iran crisis was part of a plan not to hog the limelight on all issues facing government. Asked if this meant he would be a “submarine” PM, he replied:

In terms of the submarine, the submarine is crashing through the ice flows ... the conning tower is emerging through the ice floes right now. Here I am talking to you. I gave two press conferences yesterday. I want to be as available as I possibly can.

But I do believe in cabinet government. I do believe in the strength of our cabinet, they’re a fantastically able bunch of people. I want them to be leading ... I want people who who are excited about their work and want to deliver for the people of this country.

Since the general election Johnson has kept a relatively low media profile. It remains to be seen whether this will continue, but this probably is a deliberate strategy. Prime ministers often define themselves in contrast to their predecessors, and Johnson may well be keen to show that he is not like David Cameron, who was very keen on recording short clips for broadcasters giving his views on the story of the day.

  • Johnson said he was confident that the royal family would resolve the Harry/Meghan crisis. But he refused to comment on the story in detail, saying it was best for politicians not to interfere. He said:

My view on this is very straightforward: I am a massive fan, like most of our viewers, of the Queen and the royal family as a fantastic asset for our country. I’m absolutely confident that they are going to sort this out.

But they are going to sort it out much more easily without a running commentary from politicians.

  • He suggested that the government was working on a plan to allow people to contribute to the cost of allowing Ben Ben to chime on 31 January to mark Brexit. The Commons authorities have ruled this out because interfering with the Big Ben restoration project to allow the bell to be rung at the end of the month would cost £500,000. Asked about this, Johnson said:

The bongs cost £500,000 but we’re working up a plan so people can bung a bob for a Big Ben bong because there are some people who want to.

Because Big Ben is being refurbished, they seem to have taken the clapper away, so we need to restore the clapper in order to bong Big Ben on Brexit night.

And that is expensive, so we’re looking at whether the public can fund it.

It was not clear whether or not Johnson was joking.

  • He said that he had considered doing veganuary, but he said that giving up cheese was “just a crime”. But he did also say that he hoped to lose some weight in 2020.

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Johnson says he wants to see county lines drugs gangs 'totally wound up'

There were various news lines in that interview, but perhaps the most surprising line came when Johnson announced that he wanted to end county lines drug dealing. No one will question the merits of his ambition, but he is making a promise that will be very hard to deliver.

This is what he said on the topic.

I want to see crime come down. I want to see the county lines drugs gangs wound up, rolled up. They are reducing the quality of life for people across our county, they are killing young kids. I want to see that thing totally wound up.

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Q: Will Ann Secoulas, the US diplomat accused of killing Harry Dunn in a road accident, face justice?

Johnson says the US are unlikely to send her back to the UK. That is not what they do.

Q: Will Huawei be allowed a role in building the 5G infrastructure?

Johnson says Britons deserve the best infrastructure available. But he will not jeopardise security.

Q: When will we see the ISC report on Russia and UK elections?

Johnson says it could be out in weeks. But he has read it, he says. He says he thinks people will be disappointed.

Q: Would you go vegan for January?

Johnson says he has considered it, but does not see how you could give up cheese.

And that’s it. The interview is over.

I will post a summary soon.

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Q: Will you save Flybe?

Johnson says it is not for government to save companies that run into trouble.

But he says he understands the importance of Flybe for regional connectivity.

He says the government is working hard to see what it can do.

But there are limits to what can be done to save companies, he says.

But he stresses the importance of regional connectivity. He wants to level up, he says.

Johnson says the national living wage has been increased.

Johnson says he wants to end county lines drug dealing

Q: After the election you said you would work around the clock to retain the trust of people who voted Tory, especially in the north. What are you doing?

Johnson says there will be dramatic change in investment in the NHS.

He says he is hiring 20,000 more police officers.

He says he wants to see county lines drug dealing rolled up, wound up.

  • Johnson says he wants to end county lines drug dealing.

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Q: When you became PM, you said you had a plan for social care. Where is it?

Johnson says he is working on it.

Q: You said you had a plan. Where is it?

Johnson says he will do it during this parliament.

Q: When will we see your plan?

Johnson says he will bring forward a plan this year, and implement it this parliament.

  • Johnson commits to announcing plans to reform social care this year.

Q: When will people see a difference to the NHS?

Johnson says this is his number one priority.

This is a new government, with a different approach.

The NHS is getting its biggest ever cash injection, he says.

He says he will be working on this flat out.

Only recently they announced that parking charges for patients would go, he says.

He says this is a massive project that will require a revolution in how they provide, not just medical care but social care.

Q: There were stories in the papers at the weekend about you being a submarine PM - not hogging the limelight all the time.

Johnson dismisses the stories.

As for changing this year, he wants to lose weight, he says.

He says he gave two press conferences. As for being a submarine, he will be crashing through the ice.

But he does believe in cabinet government, he says.

Q: Do you think Big Ben should bong for Brexit?

Johnson says that would cost £500,000.

But the government is developing a plan to enable people to celebrate Brexit, he says.

He says, because Big Ben is being refurbished, the clapper has been taken away.

Walker turns to Brexit.

Johnson says that is one of his least favourite subjects.

Q: What is the chance of a comprehensive trade deal by the end of this year?

Johnson says it is very likely.

Q: You do not sound very confident.

Johnson says he it is enormously likely, epically likely.

He says he is very, very, very confident about getting a deal.

Q: Is there an issue with media intrusion in this country?

Johnson reverts to his answer about not wanting to interfer in the Harry/Meghan story.

He says the royal family is not helped by politicians wading in.

The royal family is a fantastic institution, he says.

And so is the media, he says.

Boris Johnson interviewed on BBC Breakfast

Good morning. I’m Andrew Sparrow, taking over from Ben Quinn.

Boris Johnson is being interviewed now on BBC Breakfast by Dan Walker.

After some questions about Iran, Walker asks about Harry and Meghan.

Johnson says he is confident the royal family will be able to sort this out.

But they will be able to sort it out more easily without interference from politicians.

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Good morning. British political life in 2020 continues to pick up a new pace today, starting later this morning with the first sit-down interview by the prime minister since the general election.

Fresh from his appearance in Northern Ireland where he basked in the feel-good moment of generated by deal paving the way for the resumption of power sharing at Storming, Boris Johnson will take questions from the BBC at Downing Street in a short while.

While he sidestepped questions about funding to shore up the historic deal in Belfast, he pledged the government’s support for Northern Ireland’s revived power-sharing executive.

Not all is settled however, as the Sinn Féin Northern Ireland assembly member and Stormont finance minister, Conor Murphy, has warned that the government’s offer for extra money as part of the deal to restore the executive “falls way short” of what was promised

Perhaps even more pressingly, with 17 days to go before Brexit he’s also going to face questions about the type of dealmaking which the UK is prepared to engage in on that front.

In a pointed intervention last night during Gavin Barwell’s maiden speech in the House of Lords, Theresa May’s former chief of staff warned there was no chance of the government agreeing a new trade deal with the EU by the end of the year.

The Labour leadership race also meanwhile rolls on today after candidates made it through to the next round of the contest – Keir Starmer, Rebecca Long-Bailey, Lisa Nandy, Jess Phillips and Emily Thornberry.

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